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« on: June 14, 2011, 09:53:55 AM »
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Mga sir tanong ko lang po kung magkano talaga ang sahod dito ng developer sa malaysia. Bago lang kasi ako dito ever since na dumating ako puro negative na ang naririnig ko dun sa agency ko na galing sa kapwa ko pinoy din na under sa agency na yun. To make the story short underpaid daw kami dun sa agency na yun. SObra laki daw kasi ng cut nila dito sa client namin. Gsto ko lang po sana maka kuha sainyo ng advise kasi parang nawalan ako ng gana magwork dito at plano ko na magresign at maghanap nlang ng ibang work. Oo nga mababa nga cost of living dito pero yun agency na wlang gingawa kumikita sayo ng malaki tpos nagpapa ka hirap ka magwork dito sa client. Swerte nun ibang pinoy dito na naregular na kasi laki ng tinaas ng sahod nila nun naabsorb sila pero tyinaga din nila yun underpaid nilang sahod hangang matapos yun contract nila dun sa agency na yun. Sino ba ang nag bibigay ng salary offer? na base sa resume mo at sa interview mo kung pumasa ka, ang client ba o ang agency?

Makaka tulong na din cguro tong post ko sa mga nagbabalak pumunta dito sa malaysia as a programer para lam nila dapat kung magkano ang dapat na sahod nila.
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 09:59:28 AM »
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ilang years of experience?
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 10:44:06 AM »
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5 years po sa .net
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 01:13:43 PM »
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5 years po sa .net

anung agency yan?
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 01:50:15 PM »
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i think it really depends on how you sell yourself.

mga naiisip ko lang na questions:
1. May experience ka na ba before outside the country?
2. Did you research kung mgkano ang wage dito before ka pumirma ng contract?
3. Nung pinirmahan mo yung contract, accepted mo naman yung rate di ba?
4. Nagbago lang ba yung pananaw mo nung nalaman mo yung rate ng ibang developer?
5. Tingin mo po ba makakapagdirect hire ka dito if wala ka agency?

gets ko pre yung point mo about the salary cut off ng mga agency pero syempre give them the credits kasi sila yung nkkpagdeal sa mga clients to hire pinoy.

ang massuggest ko lang po eh, finish your contract... show them what you have... prove to them na asset ka sa company para after ng contract mo ask for more.

tsaka quote ko narin yung sinabi mo, mahirap gumawa ng shortcut, lalo na nasa ibang bansa
"Swerte nun ibang pinoy dito na naregular na kasi laki ng tinaas ng sahod nila nun naabsorb sila pero tyinaga din nila yun underpaid nilang sahod hangang matapos yun contract nila dun sa agency na yun."
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i think it really depends on how you sell yourself.

mga naiisip ko lang na questions:
1. May experience ka na ba before outside the country?
2. Did you research kung mgkano ang wage dito before ka pumirma ng contract?
3. Nung pinirmahan mo yung contract, accepted mo naman yung rate di ba?
4. Nagbago lang ba yung pananaw mo nung nalaman mo yung rate ng ibang developer?
5. Tingin mo po ba makakapagdirect hire ka dito if wala ka agency?

gets ko pre yung point mo about the salary cut off ng mga agency pero syempre give them the credits kasi sila yung nkkpagdeal sa mga clients to hire pinoy.

ang massuggest ko lang po eh, finish your contract... show them what you have... prove to them na asset ka sa company para after ng contract mo ask for more.

tsaka quote ko narin yung sinabi mo, mahirap gumawa ng shortcut, lalo na nasa ibang bansa
"Swerte nun ibang pinoy dito na naregular na kasi laki ng tinaas ng sahod nila nun naabsorb sila pero tyinaga din nila yun underpaid nilang sahod hangang matapos yun contract nila dun sa agency na yun."


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but doesn't answer the main question...  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 09:00:36 PM »
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is there a standard salary of a developer here? i dont think so.

there are too many variables to consider;
experience
skills
language
company
etc.

so there is no point in giving a digits of salary. peace.
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 09:07:24 PM »
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ewan ko lang kung mas mapapagaan ang loob mo...

kahit saan na man eh, kahit sa pinas yung agency or outsourced company laki laki nang kick back nila hehehe.  magugulat ka nalang na ganon ang singilan para sa services mo.  kaya nga yung iba nag contractual o independent, pero kung gagawin mo yan dapat malaki laki ang backing mo (contacts, soft skills, tech skills)

isipin mo nalang nung pinirmahan mo yung contract na satisfy nila ung sahod na gusto mo at i aim mo nalang na ma regular ka para lalo ka ma satisfy.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 09:59:08 PM »
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is there a standard salary of a developer here? i dont think so.

there are too many variables to consider;
experience
skills
language
company
etc.

so there is no point in giving a digits of salary. peace.


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Answer accepted!  Wink
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I am not a developer kasi eh...  curios lng po... Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2011, 10:11:07 AM »
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I agree sayo sir. I wasn't able to negotiate enough kasi i was overwhelmed na din cguro since work abroad sya and less tax and di ko na nahintay yun isa. That was my big mistake. Ngayn na realize ko na mali naging decision ko.. And yes ang sagot ko dun sa number 5 na question mo.. 2 kasi yun inaplyan
ko dito sa malaysia first is etong agency ko ngayn actualy di ko nman inapplyan nakita lang sa monster resume ko. Yun isa tlga is yun inaplayan ko sa jobstreet which is yun direct hire nga.. I was done with the initial interview and .net exam which i took in the philippines kasi meron sila office sa bansa natin. kya lang it took them 3 weeks to call me after i took the exam. kya ang alam ko is bagsak na ako so nag comit
na ako dito sa agency na to, tumwag lang yun 1st choice ko nun nasubmit ko na sa embassy yun passport ko. kya eto ngayn yun nabalitaan ko about sa agency ko base na sa mga pinoy na andito na under sa same agency. YUn agency ko is non existing dito sa client na pinagdeployan sakin. meaning meron tlagang agency na nag lalagay ng developer dito sa client na to. Eto yun catch, yun agency ko is parang third party pa which we think na may kilala lang dun sa agency na dapat naglalagay lang ng developer dito. So ang nanyayare instead na isang agency lang yun nagkakaroon ng cut sa sahod ko meron pang isa which is yun agency ko ngayn.. which is also proven na malaki nga ang nacucut sa sahod kasi yun isang pinoy na naregular na dito is nakita yun contract namin nun hinahire plang kami. andun yun budget nila para sa amin. So dun nya narealize na malaki ang bayad sa mga contractor developers. so being a concern kababayan sinabi nya samin yun although di nman sinabi yun amt kasi confidential and baka daw lalo kami ma de motivated lol kya i was asking kung magkano ba tlaga ang rate dito kasi sa SG meron ako kakilala and ang sabi sakin is dpat di ka bababa sa 4000sgd dun.. ngayn ko lang nkita tong site nyo and ive searched it and wla nman ako nakita na salary range.. more on tanong lang kung ok na ba tong sahod ko dito sa malaysia ang kung mgkano masasave ko or magagastos ko etc..
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2011, 11:49:04 AM »
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5 years po sa .net

anung agency yan?

pasensya na sir ayoko magmention ng name baka ma trace pa ako.. lol gsto ko lang mashare yun exp ko at makakuha sainyo ng inputs kung ganito ba tlaga dito. ala ako kakilala dito my eh sa sg karamihan ng kakilala ko..
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 11:52:59 AM »
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ewan ko lang kung mas mapapagaan ang loob mo...

kahit saan na man eh, kahit sa pinas yung agency or outsourced company laki laki nang kick back nila hehehe.  magugulat ka nalang na ganon ang singilan para sa services mo.  kaya nga yung iba nag contractual o independent, pero kung gagawin mo yan dapat malaki laki ang backing mo (contacts, soft skills, tech skills)

isipin mo nalang nung pinirmahan mo yung contract na satisfy nila ung sahod na gusto mo at i aim mo nalang na ma regular ka para lalo ka ma satisfy.

yun nga po sir.. 2 years kasi yun contract ko ok lang sana magtiis kung kung 1 year lang.. kya napapaisip tlaga ako..
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2011, 02:17:30 PM »
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Hi Everyone,

Ive scan some of the post and i cannot see any FIGURE hehehe.


hi dheric,

Tama po si mc_darklight, there is no standard salary range here in Malaysia for software developer, marami po talaga tayung kailangan iconsider pag dating sa mga ganitong bagay. Usually kasi ang ginagawa ng company is ibabase nila sa Current Salary mo, Work Experience and Skills. But depende parin sa company po, meron kasi ung ibang company nsa MALAYSIA pero main branch nila is SG, medyo mataas po magpasahod mga un, meron naman talaga local company ng Malaysia, talagang pipigain ka.

Well when it comes to Agency naman po, wala ka po talagang magagawa dun, usually dun talaga cla kumikita, ke mapathird or fourth or fifth party man yan, ganito nalang ang isipin mo,

1.) Magkanu ba ung asking price mo sa SALARY? ( wag mo hintayin mag offer sila sau, you need to tell them regarding your expected salary, but of course bagu mo ibigay ung expected salary mo, kailangan ma compute mo mga expenses mo, at saka ung cost of living kung saan ka ma assign saka mga taxes and etc.) Karamihan kasi sa ating pinoy nasanay na Magkanu ba ang sahod? pag nagsabi ng amount ung agency or employer dadagdagan lang nila ng kunti tapos ok na sa kanila.

2.) Wag mo ng isipin kung ilang party pa yan  ng agency at nag cucut sa sahod mo, sasakit lang ulo mo at ung mga gaya ng sabi mo mawawalan ka lang ng gana,  isipin mo  nalang nag agree ba ikaw at ung agency regarding sa salary? na meet nia ba ung expected mo? pasok ba sa budget nila ung sahod mo?

3.) Dont ever compare your self to others, kaya nahirapan taung umasenso dahil dito, bakit si ganito mataas ang pasahod, bakit si ito, walang tax, sabi ni ganito dapat hindi bababa ng ganito. My point here is whatever your demands are, you just demand it to the agency, tell them na you want this thing, always take note that hindi naman tayu pare parehas ng sitwasyon, at hindi naman po tayu pare parehas na swerte sa company.

4.) Last e2 lang naman ung tanung dyan eh, Gusto mo ba ung Trabaho or hindi? okey ba ung sahod sayu or hindi? Ang masama kasi pagnakapirma ka na, tapos may narinig kang ibang sitwasyon, uy okey pala dito, uy okey pala dun, patay na, ung ang mahirap, always take note that maraming mga kababayan natin ang walang work at nahihirapan maghanap ng work outside the PHIL. Kaya ung iba dyan pinapatulan nila ung agency makapasok lang at sa work.

again dheric desisyon mo parin po, kung feeling mo talagang talo ka po sa offer nila, habang nasa pinas ka mag backout ka na, kaysa naman magback out ka pag nandito ka na, mas mahirapan po un, pero kung sa tingin mo namang kaya mo pang makipag negotiate sa knila, makipag negotiate ka po. regarding sa salary, contract, benefits. It is still your call.  Smiley wag mo gaanung pakingan ung mga nasa paligid mo nakow baka mahirapan ka lang magwork nia
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well said jhaypee...

unless pumirma ka kasi napilitan ka lang for whatever reason, you should be satisfied of whatever you have right now.  Malamang nung pumirma ka ng contract, naisip mo siguro na "this is it.  this is what i want." wag na magbago-bago ng isip.  Alam ko, na excite ka nung pumirma ka. ganun din naramdaman ko nung pumirma na ko ng contract.  hayaan mo na yung iba.
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well said jhaypee...

unless pumirma ka kasi napilitan ka lang for whatever reason, you should be satisfied of whatever you have right now.  Malamang nung pumirma ka ng contract, naisip mo siguro na "this is it.  this is what i want." wag na magbago-bago ng isip.  Alam ko, na excite ka nung pumirma ka. ganun din naramdaman ko nung pumirma na ko ng contract.  hayaan mo na yung iba.


correct ako nung nakapirma na ako ng contrata ko may mga nag offer sakin marami rin akong narinig, tapos kung kailangan nakapirma ka na sunud sunud na ung mga offer nila at oppurtunities, naingit din ako kasi ung mga kakilala ko ang tataas ng sahod, akala ko mataas na ung sahod ko eh, pero naka pirma na ako, kung araw araw un nalang ang iisipin ko nakakapanghina ng loob, well sabi nga nila ang tao hindi na kukuntento, pero paminsan minsan we need to learn how to appreciate small things. d2 tayu matututu...
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